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| | The Aamhi - Marathi ( Marathi Aamchi Maayboli) Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts | | Aamchi Mumbai | Views: 8534 | | Feb 04, 2008 8:46 am | | Aamchi Mumbai | # | 
Rain Man | | All are aware whats happening in Mum last couple of days.
Is really necessary for Raj thakrey and Amar Singh to fight on these issues ?
Or are they taking advantage of their supporters ?
Why again violence in Mumbai ?
Does it really matters for true mumbaikar's ?Private Reply to Rain Man | | Feb 04, 2008 9:06 am | | re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | of course it does matter. All the UPites and Biharis should stay in their limits. Mumbai and Maharashtra are not Dharamshalas where anybody can come and do what they want. And what is true Mumbaikar? Do you mean to say all the cowards who take all type of shit from gujjus, bhaiyas and biharis and behave like their slaves in the name of adjustments are true mumbaikars? Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 04, 2008 9:25 am | | re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Viraj Rao | | Sameer..vey well said... Private Reply to Viraj Rao | | Feb 04, 2008 11:10 am | | re: Aamchi Mumbai | # | 
Renuka Narwankar | | Sameer what u say is absolutely true ...but does it justify the violent behaviour of the political parties???where the innocent hardworking poor people are beaten up mercilessly????
I strongly CONDEMN this act of violence..
Promoting enimity , instigating ppl and giving fuel to the out break of riots is NOT the solution...
Y dont the so called 'leaders' come up with better and concrete solution???
Y are the non locals thriving in mumbai??? What is the main cause?? coz majority of the locals are lazy n not hard working...
A simple example ...When u go out in the night..u will c 95% of UPite taxi drivers waiting in the cab n doing night shift..where as the mumbaikar taxiwala ek navtaak ghevun chicken khavun jhoplelaa asto gharat...
I fully agree that when the outsiders r in mumbai they better act like mumbaikars n not bambaiyaas...Pan justifying violence n riots NEVER..
Life of mumbai comes to a halt thats not right....
Private Reply to Renuka Narwankar | | Feb 04, 2008 12:49 pm | | re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Rain Man | | Sad .. its really sad :(
This is what is happening for generations together.
Konitari yeta .. aag lavun jaato.
As Renuka said,kaam kartana kuthe asatat hey lok ?
Itka frustration asel tar jasta kaam ka nahee karat ?
Phukat daaru ani chikan party milte mhanun asale dange kartat.
Itki aag ani dhhairya kaam kartana ka nahee dakhavat ?
Boss nee sangitala tar ek taas kaam karayala radtil ani koni tari dagadphek ani danga karayala sangitala tar lagech tayar.
Why dont poor people or rather I should call them fools,dont understand that someone is using them for their advantage.
Its sad ... really sad. :(
Private Reply to Rain Man | | Feb 04, 2008 1:19 pm | | re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # | 
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Peps ,
Violance never works. Look at the all Hindi n' English news channels who are literally framing 'Raj' as a big goon .There may be chances that he will be arrested .
Remember that North Indian Lobby have trumendous political and media back up. They are trying their best to maligning Marathi Face of Mumbai.
Already we need to be united against Bhaiya lobby which trying their best to segregate Mumbai from Maharashtra and this kindda of incidents will clearly make them united . And Here most of the Marathi Leaders are busy in throwing clays with each others.
I ve read in Maharashtra Times that many SP workers misbehaving while going to the rally after alighting at Dadar station. Did you see this news on any channel? What did it show . Come on guys we were the people who built Mumbai. Remember 26 th July , 11 Sep. All the Marathis and Non Marathis shown the great example of Why Mumbai is the Best city in India.
After Yesterday's Incidenct Media tried die hard to show Marathi Face as a 'goon'.
Remember Marathis have a great tradition of Winning Civil wars . In 1960's we triumped on Gujju lobby and in 1970's we kicked South Indian lobby to send them back to the places .
Dont fear the bhaiya lobby . But all the protests should not be violant and we should not let anyone any kindda chance to blame Marathi's .
Jai Hind . jai Maharastra .......
Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 04, 2008 1:36 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | @Renuka, dont know if you know this fact but those bhaiyyas who stay up all night to drive cabs and autos are all illegal drivers without permit and licence who cant drive during day + their meters are faster than usual and they make twice a living out of cheating innocent passengers.
Private Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Feb 04, 2008 2:00 pm | | re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Dear Sir Mr.Rain Man,
Please stop being Gandhi for once. What do you want to prove by showing sympathy to those who have suffered at the hands of MNS? Why dont you pose the same question to Laloo Prasad Yadav and Abu Azmi? Why does recruitments ads of railways are published only in Hindi newspapers and not in Marathi newspapers? Why did Abu Azmi declared to distribute 'lathis' to all UPites and provoked them? Also, Marathi guys do not work hard is just a false propoganda spread against us Marathis. Can Lalu and Abu Azmi dare to go to Chennai or Bangalore and use same nonsensical language there? All of these UPites and Biharis think that Marathis are soft targets and they can take all the shit in life. Not only these northis but also Gujjus, Marwaris and Punjabis think the same. 'Mumbai tumchi tar bhandi ghasa aamchi', this is how you can describe their attitude towards us. They always taunt us as 'ghatis' and uncivilised people. What do u have to say about them? Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 04, 2008 2:45 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Rain Man | | If you all think that,its really is a problem and Mumbai should be with Marathi's,then how do you propose to solve this issue ?
What solution you have to solve this ?
Let me know ... coz' tomorrow it might happen in Bangalore and other cities and in California too.
Private Reply to Rain Man | | Feb 05, 2008 6:11 am | | re: Shame Shame Marathi Politicians | # | 
Savita Govilkar | | I feel, UPites and Biharis have really hiked up the crime rate in and around Mumbai. My main objection is to that. Our government must curtail the same.
If Marathis are deprived aopprtunities in maharashtra by Government not publishing employment ads in Marathi Newspapers then that needs to be fixed.
If Taxidrivers are driving with illegal permits and meters then that needs ot be fixed. Beating them up in streets is hardly a solution.
If all UPite and Bihari drivers leave Mumbai today, Will there be enough Marathi drivers to take those cabs up fro driving?
Marathi Manus does not want to be a Cab driver or Bhelpuriwala.
Marathi Manus is slated to be somebody much bigger.
We should integrate UPIte and Biharis in MH such as they do not become Doijad.
We should take advantage of the cheap labour. We too should learn to exploit others economically for our benefits.. But legally...
Hope I am clear about the point i am making. Marathi Manus has always been politically incorrect and this has led to bad image across...the country...Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 05, 2008 6:22 am | | re: re: Shame Shame Marathi Politicians | # |
Renuka Narwankar | | Adesh there u go now..Bang on target...
THIS is exactly what the outsiders are taking advantage of ...Ithey marathi mansaachya gharaatach phutt aahey...
C the Thackeray family..family divided n ruling...
It was started by Balasahab in 60's...aaj y he not supporting Raj???coz today they r rivals????
C my point is ..Jarr himmat asel tarr hyaaa politicians chya gharat ghusun tyaana baaher khechun maara kii...They r the main culprits the real mischief mongers...
Gareeb majdooraala kaaa martaay???? also if any gareeb majdoor is being arrogant or ruthless he will deserve phatkey as u said laaton ke bhut baatonse nahi maantey..pan generalise karu naye
The fight is against the SYSTEM ...That needs to be fixed ..
Marathi Manus UNITE n POLITICIANS par 'HALLA BOL'
Private Reply to Renuka Narwankar | | Feb 05, 2008 8:43 am | | re: re: re: Shame Shame Marathi Politicians | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | I want all those coming to mumbai to speak only in Marathi so that the culture of Maharashtra is Marathi like how Chennai's is Tamil or Bengalooru's is Kannadiga inspite of outsiders. This does not stop any city from being cosmopolitan.
I will not tolerate arrogance from outsiders in my land as I do not tolerate any outsider's arrogance inside my house.
I will stand by those politicians who stand only by marathis in truest sense and show results. Be it sena, congress, MNS or NCP.
I believe that Marathis are affluent and self content in their own right. That is why we need not go to Bihar to earn a living.
I believe that Marathis must stop thinking that our cities and state is running because of outsiders. Learn to use and discard outsiders.
I want all Marathis to unite above religion, caste, dialect or sect on the basis of one language and learn to rule others and not be ruled by them.
I want Marathi politicians, bureaucrats, police and public servants to stop selling Maharashtra for money.
I want Marathi people to shed the face of being 'nice people' and stop others from walking all over us.
Am I wrong?Private Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Feb 05, 2008 8:52 am | | re: re: re: re: Shame Shame Marathi Politicians | # |
Viraj Rao | | Not at all.. good points. Private Reply to Viraj Rao | | Feb 05, 2008 9:03 am | | Politics its a GAME | # | 
Pravin Dhayfule | | Relax folks.
Whatever they are doing its a game called as Politics.
Tell me frankly, does such a mis behaviour really helps develop a good citizenship.
What if there were rules set in the past for this...
Mumbai is mini India, haven't we noticed it?
Its not logical yaar for us to debate on things like whether this violence was right or wrong.
I do agree that in Maharashtra we have Govt & semi Govt dept, including municipal corporation and telecom service like BSNL/MTNL where most of the senior post holders are Bhaiyyas & South Indians.
But on the contrary, its rarely to hear a Maharashtrian Govt officer in South and North.. Why.
Its because right from begining the state policies were designed such a way.
On the hand why did they flourish here, just because they accepted the challenge to survive by providing those services which we hesitated to.
Doodhwaala Bhaiyya, Bhelwaala Bhaiyaa, etc.
We had comitted ignorance in past and suffering for it.
Whom to blame now?
Private Reply to Pravin Dhayfule | | Feb 05, 2008 10:05 am | | re: re: re: re: Shame Shame Marathi Politicians | # |
Savita Govilkar | | I agree with the point that Adesh is making, that Marathis are affluent and want to be affluent, hence we need taxi drivers . Policies of our states should be such that we remain and become more and more affluent while exploiting other migrants. They must be always all compound wall and we should be able to push them to other side anytime they start acting smart. At the same time dont allow them to be arrogant, affluent and educated. Most important curtail their crimes..As they have strong criminal history... Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 05, 2008 10:12 am | | re: Politics its a GAME | # | 
Shalaka Paradkar | | "I want all those coming to mumbai to speak only in Marathi so that the culture of Maharashtra is Marathi like how Chennai's is Tamil or Bengalooru's is Kannadiga inspite of outsiders. This does not stop any city from being cosmopolitan."
As an experiment start with yourself -- speak only in Marathi to all your clients, vendors, neighbours and fellow Ryzers at mixers. Let them learn Marathi from you, so they can talk to you in Marathi. Do tell them they are in Maharashtra, hence you will not speak any other language.
"I will not tolerate arrogance from outsiders in my land as I do not tolerate any outsider's arrogance inside my house."
Please give examples of arrogance by outsiders. I guess it was very arrogant that of the 106 people who died for Samyukta Maharashtra, 21 were not Marathi-speaking. How arrogant of these people to assume that Maharashtra needed their lives.
"I will stand by those politicians who stand only by marathis in truest sense and show results. Be it sena, congress, MNS or NCP."
Politicians only stand for themselves. Please tell which politician from Maharashtra has managed to make all Maharashtrians happy. For people from the Konkan, the people in Marathwada are more dangerous than Biharis and UP-ites. Vidarbha wants to move away from Maharashtra. Khandesh does not even register on most Marathi people's radar, though our president comes from Khandesh. That's the ground reality.
"I believe that Marathis are affluent and self content in their own right. That is why we need not go to Bihar to earn a living."
Not just Marathis, but no one will go to Bihar in its present condition to earn a living. Moving out of your state to lead your life does not mean you were poor or dissatisfied. It's called being ambitious, adventurous and wanting more than to be a frog in the well. The moderator of this network is also someone who has moved out of Maharashtra. There are plenty of Maharashtrians in the Gulf, in the USA and UK -- and not all are in white collar professions. Would you justify them being beaten by local populations for taking away jobs?
"I believe that Marathis must stop thinking that our cities and state is running because of outsiders. Learn to use and discard outsiders."
How do you use and discard outsiders? Please explain. The outsiders are pretty much discarded anyways. Take a look at how they are prepared to live in to make a living here. The fact is city and state are running because of "outsiders". How many hospitals, schools, colleges, malls and residential buildings are being built by Maharashtrians?
"I want all Marathis to unite above religion, caste, dialect or sect on the basis of one language and learn to rule others and not be ruled by them."
Sure that can happen -- if you ask me, Maharashtra is one of the richest states in the country because we welcome all. Within Maharashtrians themselves, the divisions of caste and region are too deep. Whenever I meet any Marathi person, I am first quizzed about my caste. In today's day and age, this is illiterate and offensive. How many Kobras and Deshasthas would marry into Dalit families?
"I want Marathi politicians, bureaucrats, police and public servants to stop selling Maharashtra for money."
Good luck with that one. We have some of the most corrupt customs, BMC officials, police and netas. Most of our police stations are staffed by Maharashtrians -- I happen to know many of them personally, and have witnessed their fantastic growth from living in chawls to owners of four or more flats (all after being posted on airport duty). Marathi entrepreneurship at its best!
"I want Marathi people to shed the face of being 'nice people' and stop others from walking all over us."
The way things are going in Mumbai, many people will stop thinking of Marathi people as nice people anyway. Anyways, what is wrong with being seen as nice people? I would rather be known for our niceness than for being lawless bullies.
Just yesterday, I interviewed a billionaire Arab businessman in the UAE who had spent his childhood in Bombay. He asked me if I was Maharashtrian and I said yes. Then he recited ye re ye re pausa for me! Then he said that Maharashtrians are one of the nicest and most straightforward communities he has met, and he really enjoyed growing up in Mumbai. Someone else mentioned Raj Thackeray ane the current violence in Mumbai, and he replied there are lunatic elements in every society. I dread the day when Raj Thackeray is seen as being representative of Maharashtrians.
Cheers,
Shalaka
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 05, 2008 10:39 am | | re: re: Politics its a GAME | # |
Pravin Dhayfule | | there's a point here Private Reply to Pravin Dhayfule | | Feb 05, 2008 11:26 am | | re: re: re: Politics its a GAME | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | Pravin, me barech mudde maandle.. nakki kuthcha click zhala? :)) Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 05, 2008 12:29 pm | | re: re: re: re: Politics its a GAME | # |
Pravin Dhayfule | | javal javal sagale Private Reply to Pravin Dhayfule | | Feb 05, 2008 1:27 pm | | re: Politics its a GAME | # | 
Ashish Belagali | | We all are one nation baba! Any one of us can go to any state and settle there without needing a passport.
Maharashtra is a rich state and is considerably better managed than quite a few others. That of course attracts people from elsewhere.
Follow America model... welcome people with open hands, strengthen security systems to counter crime (whether committed by natives or outsiders) and make them productive... so we become a richer and more powerful. As Shalaka writes, this is exactly what's happening. So why turn the wheel backwards?
Instead of spreading hatred towards other Indians, we Maharaashtrians have enough to take pride in 'Maraathi Asmitaa'. Dnyaaneshwaraanpaasun sarva sant aani saahityikaanmule Maraathila mothe vaibhav praapta zaale aahe. Maazyaa matey Maraathi bhaashelaa swatahaacha ek saatvik chehera aahe. Tee saatvikataa baalapanaapaasun aaplyaa avati-bhavati aahe.. let's recognize that as one of our strengths.
And yes, I was ready to marry outside the caste when I was looking. (Not now, sorry!) I have also seen a lot others like me. Times have changed.. for the better!
/AshishPrivate Reply to Ashish Belagali | | Feb 05, 2008 6:30 pm | | re: Aamchi Mumbai | # | 
Swati Joshi Mandlekar | | " India is my country, all indians are my brothers & sisters..." ????? Technically I do not find any mistake in Biharis and Bhayyas coming in Mumbai and staying here.
There is a perceived notion that these people deprive Marathis of job opportunities... A Leader of good caliber should channelise this discontent into more productive ways to find out the solution to the problem.
What we observed happening in Mumbai is the worst exploitation of public sentiment for getting a political mileage.
Amar Singh and Raj Thakre should rather invest into Bihar and UP to create a good employment for these people. This can be one of the solutions to stop north indian influx in Mumbai.
Amitabh Bacchan is an Ikon for India. We should be proud that this legend is staying in Mumbai rather than showing disrespect to him.
Private Reply to Swati Joshi Mandlekar | | Feb 06, 2008 3:34 am | | re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # | 
Tushar | | I am supposedly a "Marwadi" BORN & BROUGHT UP IN GIRGAON. I am a Maharastrian by birth and will always be a Maharastrian.
And with the postings, I would like to know why a certain point is not raised by us to the politicians from the so called states of Bihar and UP.
These bhaiyyas and Biharis have come out of there state to work the reason being that these very politicians the Lallu's and Mulayam's have never done any work in there state leading to exodus of people from their own state to Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkatta.
So called mesiha Mr.Sanjay Nirupam and Kripa Shankar singh have promoted jopadpati in their constituency's in Mumbai and now to protect the same they are creatig this issue of gaining sympathy. Abu Azmi is one of the richest politician in Mumbai with clubs and discos to his ownership. Ditto for Sanjay and Kripashankar. Why do they not invest in their state and take back these very victims of voilence. These so called victims of voilence are taxi drivers who have no respect LAW & ORDER to drive with out license and in many cases with out the taxi permit. Courtsey blessings of the politicians.
If you see the crime rate in Mumbai in the last ten years petty crimes and rape has increased. The pandu hawaldar is being given bribes and if not then a bhaiyya advocate with a degree in law from the much hyped BIHAR UNIVERSITY is thrown on his face. The same in UP and Bihar and the lawyer would be in a pit and some criminals(sorry police) would be burying him in his own grave may be dead but in many cases living burial is a fact.
When Raj does this for vote count me to vote for him. He should also take care of the fisher folks who have almost disappeared from the face of Mumbai courtsey the bhaiyya selling "paplet"
The last point and it is to be thought by the very dump press circle INTELLECTS:
WHY ARE THE BHAIYYA'S AND THE BIHARIS TARGETS OF SUCH ACTION IN DELHI, ASSAM AND NOW MUMBAI.
Rajji Aage bado main tumhare sath hu.
Tushar Private Reply to Tushar | | Feb 06, 2008 4:13 am | | Re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Hi ,
I do agree that Bhaiya Politicion's and lobby's Attitude towards Mahararstra and Marathi's is questionable . I remember the great bhaiya Icons wife Jaya Bacchan appealed in Rajya Sabha with Fali Nariman to 'Mumbai should be seperated from Maharashtra considering its Non-Marathi population' after 26th July Rain calamity.
But again i will see why to blame the poor Bhaiya labourers . I am sure that most of the Bhaiya's respect Marathi's and Maharashtra. They should not be the victim of this Politico and Aristrocratic fight between the Marathi and Bhaiya lobby.
Remember the biggest literally work done of great Chatrapaati Shivaji is 'Kavi Bhushan' who is from UP . Kavi Kalash was the friend of Sambhaji Maharaj who took pride to fight for Maharashtra and sacrificed his life .
Why do you think these silly politicions like Krupa Shankar , Sanjay Nirupam and Abu Azami are the icons of Bhaiyas . Dont you think when you are attacking on the Bhaiyas you are hurting the Kavi Bhushan or Kavi Kalash and ultimately Great Shivaji Maharaj and Sambhaji Maharaj .
Raj is using this identity crisis of Marathis for justifying his Violance and that's the shameful act. The character of Abu Aazmi is well known amongest people and He was even accused in 93 blasts as well as he was spotted in Dawood's party.
But i think we should fight with straight to straight with Bhaiya lobby . History has shown that 104 people sacrificed their life for Mumbai and Conquered Mumbai against all odds . 'Maharashtrachi Parampara Jiv denyachi aahe Jeev Ghenyachi aahe'.
So i would respect please please dont support the violance and stop this silly incidents despite be united and prepare for the Best of Mumbai .
Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 06, 2008 8:34 am | | re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | Just trying to understand your point of view: if tomorrow the Biharis and UP-ites say they are Maharashtrian, they will be welcome to live in Mumbai? So instead of beating up the poor buggers, just tell them to say they are Marathi. At least it will end the violence.
Raj Thackeray's sudden anti-North Indian stance is more to do with the original Shiv sena embracing North Indians -- Uddhav attending the Uttar Bhartiya divas and chhat pooja. Raj also attacked Amitabh Bachchan, so that he can get enough publicity (thanks to the 24/7 news channels) riding piggyback on one of India's icons though the two were good buddies just a while back.
If you want to elect Raj Thackeray to power, you are welcome to... But apart from asking unemployed hooligans to beat up hardworking poor people and calling Hitler a great guy, I really want to know what is his contribution to Mumbai city.
The last time I heard about him was when he pardoned the 14people who molested the two girls in Mumbai -- because "Maharashtrian boys can't do such things". So those criminals got off scot free, despite the photos taken by newspapers.
God forbid any member's mother/sister/girlfriend/wife comes to harm. Don't try appealing to your elected representative Raj Thackeray!
Shame on these MNS goons when ten of them gather today to beat up one poor taxi driver or redi wala. They are the descendants of Aurangzeb, and definitely not of Chhatrapati Shivaji.
They might seem like heroes in Girgaon (though I seriously doubt it!), but in the eyes of the world, it is Mumbai's reputation as a global city which has suffered.
People talked about how professional and efficient Mumbaikars are when the city went back to work after the bomb blasts and heavy rains.
Today, they are talking about how Indians beat other Indians because they come from different states. Bihar is the laughing stock of the whole country: though its people are intelligent and hardworking, it has been let down by its leaders. I hope Maharashtra is not seen to be an anarchy like that state.
And yes, when it comes to transport, I have never ever been cheated in a Mumbai taxi, but I have faced a lot of harassment and pain from auto drivers in Thane (none of whom were Bihari btw). Just go to Mulund check naka and see how good are aamchi manse when it comes to being of service to other Marathis.
@Tushar: Why do you call yourself a Maharashtrian if you are a Marwari? Is it insurance for when the MNS starts attacking ALL outsiders?
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 06, 2008 10:07 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Shalaka,
Now you are seeing only one side of the story. Have you ever thought why such outburst took place? It was not a one day phenomenon. It was boiling for quite some time. Can you dare to use such language against Tamilians or kannadigas who are so adamant about their language and culture. Cant you see the condition of Marathis in Mumbai? I think survival of marathis in Mumbai is more important than the image of Maharashtra. And by the way what is the image of Maharashtra outside? For Delhities, its a goose that lays golden eggs. For biharis and bhaiyas, it is just a place to work and make money. But for Marathis, it is our state, our own land. Why these bhaiyas and biharis do not go to southern states? Because they know that there they will have to live on terms of natives. But Maharashtra ans especially Mumbai is a dharmashala. Anybody can come here, exploit the resources and on the top of it abuse and insult our language and culture. If you ask me, these bhaiyas and biharis are raping our state and mumbai particularly. And by the way, Mumbai is the capital of Maharashtra and not of India. I am totally against the cosmopolitan image of the city. This is a Marathi land and Marathis have the firts right on this land. Everybody else comes later.Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 06, 2008 10:45 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Tushar | | Dear Shalaka,
Well said that these goons are heros in Girgaon by beating the taxi wala or a redi wala.
The Meethi river was chock a block with slums and Shri Sanjay Nirupam the then Sena Bihari and his adversary Shri Kripashankar Singh promoted for the vote bank politics. NO ONE SAID A WORD TO REMOVE THE SLUMS WHICH ARE PREDOMINANTLY BHAIYYA/BIHARI CONVERGENCE.
The congestion on the river was a major cause and the people of the cow (Dung) belt are responsible for the same. Should u need any proof try and visit the area.
After the deluge Mumbai did spring back to action. That is because all the people residing in Mumbai have to work to earn a living. They do not stay in the idiom of " Baara Bhaiyya tera Chula" means Twelve bhaiyas staying in a single room will have 13 stoves so as in case a "guest" comes he can also cook his food and latter be a
(un)law abiding citizens of Bambai.
So much for the International city and the Financial Capital of India.
Shalaka if you feel that the Bhaiyyas are targeted then why is it that the Bhaiyya Politician not make an announcement that all the people from the other then Maharastra origin will not be allowed to vote in Mumbai. Then see what will be the results. These very politicians aka Sanjay Nirupam and Kripashankar will throw away the Bhaiyyas and Biharis like a fly in the tea. (A marwari will suck away what ever tea the fly has taken away form the cup)
As for me I am born in GIRGAON the heart of maharastrian culture, I enjoy the food and the life style of a maharastrians then of a Marwadi. I speak a typical girgaonkar marathi where in the words and the slang is more of the marathi manus then a outsider. In fact some time I have been made a odd man out in Marwadis as well. So well I think I will be taken as a Marathi while fighting with Biharis.
Also please think on a point: Why is it that the Biharis are Targeted in places like Assam and the Chief Minister of a congress ruled state like Delhi has gone records against Biharis.
Tushar
Private Reply to Tushar | | Feb 06, 2008 12:58 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # | 
Ashish Gorde | | I've been a lurker on this board and have rarely posted anything, but this thread pulled me out of my lethargy.
As a bona fide Maharashtrian... alright some may disagree with the bona fide bit because I've hardly lived in Maharashtra in all my 40-plus years... and yet, somehow, I feel the need to say something here. Marathi is my mother tongue but I'm not very fluent in the language because I didn't grow up in a Maharashtrian milieu... not sure if parents and family friends count but I guess not.
Do you know where I'm going with this?
I know what it is to be an 'outsider'. I'm used to that kind of an 'outsider' identity for as long as I remember. And to me, Maharashtra and Marathi-ness is part of my cultural, linguistic and ethnic heritage... something to be proud of not because it is the 'best' in the world but because I can claim a sense of belonging to it..
Now I read that Raj Thackerey and his goons have beaten up couple of North Indians in Mumbai because they are 'outsiders' in the city. I watched NDTV and saw this man ranting that non-Maharashtrians would need to take permission before entering the city or state. Interesting solution to the 'problem', I thought. I mean, at the core, that rant sounded almost like a separatist sentiment? Do Indians need to take permission before visiting other parts of the country? Does he want Mumbai/ Maharashtra only for Marathis and the rest may go to hell, for all he cares... even if they are productive and useful?
Now think about people like me who are Maharashtrians who have hardly lived in Maharashtra... is this the type of goonda culture that we can claim to be part of our own? Is this something to make us proud that a fellow-Maharashtrian sent his goons to beat poor people up? Are we going to say, yes, we dont welcome 'outsiders' we just beat them up?
I dont care if those taxi-drivers didnt have permits and were driving illegally. All I see are a bunch of poor people trying to make ends meet, and I have seen many poor Indians here in the Gulf doing something similar. Imagine if the locals decide to do the Raj-Thackerey treatment on all the Indians here (Maharashtrians included)... will this Raj-bhau get off his horse and come to our rescue here? Or is he going to say, let those Indians in the Gulf just rot for taking jobs from the Gulf locals? Will he take the side of the ones attacking us?
I guess, people like the Thackereys really dont care about the larger picture... and the sad thing is, in all of this nonsense, the Union of India suffers. And if you ask me, I dont give a rat's ass if Maharashtrian pride is hurt if it's at the expense of India's integrity. Marathi manoos can take care of himself but if he can't see himself as an Indian, then let him go and take a hike.
Regards,
Ashish Private Reply to Ashish Gorde | | Feb 06, 2008 2:43 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Ashish,
There is a great reposnse for this thread. Well, it shows thinking ability and intellectuality of Marathi manus. Marathi is very straight forward and does not hesitate to put forward his point. Here is my point.
Sad part is that our own marathi people are blaming Raj and MNS for such action. All people are blamimng Raj for creating rift between Marathis and Northis. But the situation is exactly opposite. These northis want to protect their seperate identity and want to be different from the mainstream. They do not want to assimilate with the culture of Maharashtra. Secondly, they want to mobilise their population and dream of ruling this city and state. They think that Mumbai and Maharashtra is their colony where they can earn resources and enrich their home states with these resources. If they are going to exploit all the resources of this state, what should the natives do? These northis form their pressure groups and terrorize the government on the basis of vote banks. Just imagine, you as a bonafide citizen of this state needs to slog ur butt to get necessary things like voters ID or ration card. While these migrants get everything within 24 hours. When I applied for the driving licence, I had to undergo a driving taste. I failed twice and I had to clear the test third time to get the license. While there was a bhaiya agent who brought 15 bhaiyas and managed to get 15 licences even without appearing for the test. Cant blame him since our RTO is out for sale and totally sold out. Staying in your state is your right and if you find somebody violating your rights, you must protest. Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 06, 2008 3:34 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Mumbai | # |
Ashish Gorde | | Sameer,
I respectfully disagree with the assertion north Indians have to 'assimilate' with the culture of Maharashtra if they have to stay in Mumbai. Why should they? Why cant they maintain their individuality and preserve their culture? Do they have to be more-Maharashtrian just find a foothold in this state?
Let's remember that our country India is a multi-cultural, multi-lingual country, and the constitution of India explicitly gives the right to every citizen the 'freedom of movement'. In other words, they have constitutional right to live and work in Mumbai and Maharashtra... and you have the same right to go to the North, South, East or even just stay where you are.
I didnt quite understand what you mean by 'exploiting resources'... do you mean to say that the Biharis and the UP-walas have exploited Maharashtra's resources or something? What resources are these? Could you please elaborate more? And talking about resources being exploited... actually Biharis have a much bigger right to complain about exploitation. Bihar is one of the richest states in India as far as natural resources are concerned (uranium, iron and steel), and yet THAT state and its people have not benefited a bit from it. Blame the situation on bad politicians or bad policies but truth is, Biharis have not benefited from their own natural resources.
But coming back to the earlier point, you see, everyone has a right to earn their living... as much as you have the right to do so. We can either complain that jobs are being taken away. Or you can do something about it... something positive. You can either polish your own skills and make yourself more employable than the 'others'. Or you can think of starting something on your own. Remember how the Sindhis and Punjabis improved their lot after partition when they came with 'nothing'... it's not like it cant be done. It can and it has been done.
You might say that Maharashtrians are laid back... well, maybe, it's time for a change of pace... maybe it's time to be more proactive in a positive way. Raj Thackerey's approach is not proactive but stupid. That kind of approach is not going to benefit anyone at all... except maybe himself.
Besides, Mumbai has always been cosmopolitan and accommodating... and we must respect and cherish this quality of that city. And let's not call it a Maharashtrian city... why not call it an Indian city? One of the few cities where everyone from the country feels a sense of belonging.
And if you go back historically, the original inhabitants of Mumbai are 'kolis' and 'east Indians'... all the others are 'outsiders' even the marathi speakers from Pune, Vidharbha or wherever, and so let's be careful about who we call 'outsiders' in Mumbai.
And still further back in history, Mumbai was an archipelago of seven or so islands that was given as a dowry to King Charles II when he married Catherine Braganza of Portugal. Suppose Mumbai was not given as a dowry to King Charles, and it had remained under Portuguese occupation till... say 1961 when we kicked the Portuguese from Goa? Would Mumbai have been what it eventually became? Urbs Prima Indis?
Think about it.Private Reply to Ashish Gorde | | Feb 06, 2008 8:23 pm | | re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Hi ,
The message from Ashish is nothing else than the example of Mental Bankcurrpacy , Making too much statements (rather conclusion) with the little knowladge of history . And you are questioning the role of Marathi's and Maratha in Mumbai's History .
Let me revise recent history (last 500 years)and provide you the correct facts .
Mumbai consists seven islands.
1. Isle of Bombay
2. Colaba
3. Little Colaba or Old Woman's Island
4. Mahim
5. Mazagaon
6. Parel
7. Worli
Out of which Mahim and Colaba islands were consistantly ruled by Maratha's . About Rest 5 were presented as dowary(Aandan) from portuguese to English.In 16 th to 19 th century Mumbai was mostly base of English (They were not really ruling in India)and they were largely dependent on Maratha's . They have consistantly paying taxes to Shivaji Maharaj and later Sambhaji Raje .
[For your kind information, Shivaji Maharaj imposed heavy taxes on English for the trade of slaves and later Shambhu Maharaj completely stopped them].
Geographically Mumbai islands were close to the district Thane [Greater Mumbai was the part of Thane.] and Raigad and Most of the times Thane was the part of Maratha empire and raigad was the Capital of Maratha's . From 16th century Kalyan was the Naval base of Maratha Navy .
The role of English particularly was very much limited in the western coast of India until the Angre army defeated by joint attack from Peshwas and English. Till that defeat the role of English was limited as traders only and they were very small naval force after Portuguese , Siddhi , Arab and above all Angre Navy.
About Portuguse , The worst ever attack faced by Portuguese in the entire history [portuguese government document still says that] was from Maratha's lead by Shambhu Maharaj . Maratha's literally conqured 80- 90% of the portuguese region . Portuguese were prepared themselves to run away from India and Maratha left the land because of the sudden attack from the Aurangjeb. Even the Portuguese governer scribbled in his diary . We have survived in India just because of the 'God's grace' . I would like to add Shambhu Maharaj were making hard negotations to buy Mumbai Island's and was even thinking to conquer it but the heavy attack from Aurangjeb couldnt complete this another dream of great Shambhu Maharaj.
Now lets consider it social facts about Mumbai. The native residents of Mumbai are Koli and Aagri (Both are Marathi's from the origin). Later lots of Parshi's , Gujrathis and other Marathi's travelled to Mumbai after English Dominance because it was the economical and trading hub for Mumbai . But most of the population was Marathi .
My respected friend i would also like to tell you that things like if's and but's never considered in History . i can say If Shambhu maharaj were not caught and killed by Aurangjeb then Maratha's would be running this Entire country . But it will not be considered .
Mumbai was the home for the Agressive congress movement particularly lead by Bal Gangadhar Tilak(Marathi) and later Soft congress movement Gandhiji (The political career of Mahatma Gandhi is started from Mumbai,Pune. That too with the support of Marathis particularly (Tilak and Gokhle ) .
One of the greatest turning point of India's Independent history and 1942 Bharat Chodo Aandolan was the strike of the labourers of Textile Mills and Mumbai Port , where majority of the labourers were Marathi .
In 1950's when the seperation of the Mumbai state into Maharashtra sorry Sanyukt(United) Maharashtra was on the peak . Formation of state was being done according to linguistic population and technically Mumbai was belonging to Maharashtra because most of the Poupulation in Mumbai (at that times) were Marathi . Central Govenrment was looking to appease Gujrathis by making it as a seperate territory. but the plan was early identified by finance Minister C D Deshmukh , he resigned and all the atomsphere in Maharashtra heated up . Sanukta Maharashtra Samiti is formed by Mr. P.K. Atre . Congress lost most of the elections in Maharashtra . After the saddest part of the history of Mumbai (104 protester were killed in Gun Fire). 20 of them were even Non Marathi's (That means even non marathis were approving Mumbai belongs to Maharashtra) center finally approved the State of Maharashtra with the capital of Mumbai.
From 1960's and onwards , I never remember that Central Govenment (or Any other's government is ) financially participating for Mumbai . Mumbai's all the infrastructure and Security is managed by Govt. of Maharashra . For that they have spent billions of rupees of largely tax paid by Marathi and Maharashrian people . (Note : Maharashra is the highest tax paying state in the country) .
I do agree that Bihar is rich in the natural resources . But Maharashtra's economical participation is the biggest in India (Noone could question that) in terms of Service Industry , Mining , Trade , agriculture . So you need to agree that Maharashtra has done too much more than Bihar but i bet you that funds provided by the Central govenments to Bihar are heavier than Maharashtra. If still Bihar and Cow belt cant progress despite they had most of the Prime Minister's in India (Thanks to politicians like Laloo) it is not Maharashtra's and Marthi people's fault .
Mumbai is capital of Mahrashtra and Maharashtra is the (most)contributing state in India so people apart from Maharashtra can come in Mumbai and they can have full rights on Mumbai as a citizen of India but finally they have no right to tamper the Marathi culture of Mumbai and Maharashtrians [that is according to section 106c India ]. So the silly demands of the cow belt politicions like all the governmental work should be done in Hindi or Marathi Name plates should not be compulsory or Mumbai should be seperate state will not be entertained by Marathis in Maharashtra.
If you want to ask the current contribution of Maharashtra in Mumbai is , Whole Mahrashtra other than Mumbai is in dark why? Because this financial Capital of India is needs a power support to keep it going.Why dont centre and cow belt is participating by sending power to Mumbai ? When it comes to rights Mumbai is cosmopolitian when it comes to expenses its Govt of Maharashtra's (Marathi's) responsibility . These are shear double standards .
Again , I do criticize the attacks on the poor labourers by Raj . But all the cow belt politicions should understand Marathi's has done most for the Mumbai and they have the First and cultural right over Mumbai .
JAI HIND , JAI MAHARASHTRA .
Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 07, 2008 4:58 am | | re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Tushar | | I cannot understand why are we talking about Maharastra and Mumbai's contribution.
Why do we not talk about the contribution of the politicians from the Cow belt in the progress(regress) of the country. With all the grants, donations and karz mafi et all.
If you just imagine the most number of PMs in India were from Bhaiyya land and the progress was OK. It took Shri Narshimha Rao(RAMTEK MAHARASTRA latter from Andhra) as a PM to give the pride to India as it is NOW. Even the current PM would not like to contest election from the region prefering the terror prone state of Assam to UP & Bihar.
Another interesting fact all the major Hindu Gods are born or have a major presence in UP and Bihar. Just think if all the GODS(some 36 crores) could not improve these people what can we a handfull supporters of Mumbai do. (This is not a Joke)
Why is it that the Bihari or a Bhaiyya has to travel all the god for saken miles to come to Mumbai, Delhi or in the state of Assam to be made to feel home by being beaten by chappals.
They get the same treatment in their home town by the same very breed of the politicians.
Why do we question only Raj Thakarey when there are likes of Shabudin or Ansari or some one else killing and burying the very Bihari or a Bhaiyya in his HOME STATE, HOME VILLAGE and practically in his VERY HOME.
Mayawati spend some few hundred crores to build Ambedkar Park and latter bull dozed it to make a monument for Kansi Ram. AGAIN CRORES SPENT.
If this money had been used for the people then the situation would have been different. The very politicians from the cow belt(POOR HUNGRY COWS; EVEN THEIR GRASS IS GONE TO THE DOGS LIKE LALLU AND BHALU) would have made a little less money in form of corruptions. And may be the AAM AADMI from the cow belt would have been milking the cow in his home state then milking the cow in Mumbai. And for once the Lallu and company would have had no cow to Milk. Alas it happens only in India.....
By the way Ashish you are an ex Wilsonian and so you must have been around Girgaon to have a feel of the culture or may be just to have some thing like Misal at Vinay or Sabudana Wada at Panshikar.
just imagine having Sattu and Mirchi for a change.....
Tushar
Private Reply to Tushar | | Feb 07, 2008 6:44 am | | re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | No one is denying that Bihar is mismanaged.
Nobody wants to make Maharashtra into Bihar.
But loving Maharashtra and Maharashtrian culture does not equal hating people of any other state, or beating them up for no reason.
Being proud of being Marathi does not mean that you will let rapists and molesters go unpunished because they are Marathi.
Instead of Girgaon, let's talk about Girangaon -- the place which has made Mumbai what it was and was the centre of Maharashtrian culture in Mumbai.
Did the Shiv Sena ever take up the cause of the thousands of mill workers who lost their jobs, committed suicide, became alcoholics, or returned to the Konkan and died in abject poverty?
And what was the reason the mill strike went on for so long and destroyed so many poor Marathi families? Because Shri Datta Samant, another great Marathi manus, refused to give in and see that the strike was going nowhere.
Did Raj Thackeray ever ask about the suffering of these Marathi people?
No, because the Thackeray family and all the other politicians were too busy getting fat on kickbacks from the sale of mill lands.
Once the mill lands were sold, did the Shiv Sena (so called representatives of the Marathi manoos) arbitrate and get settlements for workers?
NO.
Shiv Sena leaders were busy building their own private hotels and clubs all over Mumbai. And who are the majority guests and members of these places? Not middle class Maharashtrians for sure.
Please look at the hypocrisy of these leaders. On the one hand, they beat up the poor migrants. On the other hand, they don't have a problem in taking money from rich migrants to run their own businesses.
My point is this: in a free market economy, please do not expect to be given any extra privileges on account of your caste and mother tongue.
Those who work hard, work smart and take advantage of opportunties are the ones who will be rewarded.
It's not the Biharis and UP-ites who are milking Mumbai dry; it's our BMC, police and politicians. Since being set up in 1960, Maharashtra has never had a non-Marathi chief minister. Our great Maratha leaders have steadily emptied the state's coffers. Isn't it the responsibility of the chief minister to ensure that the state is well-administered? Then how can you blame north Indian politicians for problems within Maharashtra? Please do explain this.
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 07, 2008 7:50 am | | re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Ashish Gorde | | Uday, I'm sorry to say this but you didn't get what I said. Please read what I've written carefully and check the main emphasis I'm making there.
Yes. There has been a Marathi and Maratha presence in Mumbai, and one cannot deny that at all. I'm sure you'll agree that Pune has always been the seat of Maratha power but that's a separate issue altogether.
Let's face it. Bombay, Calcutta and Madras have always been 'English' cities and they developed them to be 'metropolitan' cities for their own selfish and imperialistic goals. All these cities were small townships earlier and would have remained so if the selfishness of the colonial powers had not played a signficant role in altering their overall urban makeup.
There is more I can elaborate on this point, but that should be enough for now. The other Mumbai-like example I can give is Dubai. This is a city-state built by expatriates and thrives because of the entrepreneurial spirit. Imagine if one day the Dubai locals stand up and say, what have these outsiders given to us? Why are they stealing our jobs and livelihood?
Tushar, I agree with you there... the politicians are the main culprits behind this entire problem. Not just politicians from the north but even from Maharashtra and everywhere.
In the 60 odd years since independence, why do people from the hinterland have to come to main cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata and Madras for work? Why isnt there a co-ordinated effort to make people in the villages self sufficient? Why do farmers have to choose between suicide and living in slums?
India is shining, but it is glittering in the big cities... that's why Biharis and bhaiyas will come, and not just to Mumbai but to any city where they'll get work.
People are people everywhere. They work to make a living so they can feed their families. And if Mumbai encourages entrepreneurship, then, that's where they'll go... and if the Thackereys don't like this, then, perhaps, they need to question whether or not they want India to be a free market economy.
Adesh, if a northie spits paan on any Marathi Manus who asks him to go back, I will salute that northie.. no one has the right to tell a fellow Indian to leave an Indian city. It's criminal and unconstitutional.
Shalaka, we seem to be reading from the same music sheet... !!!!
I just agree what you've said here:
My point is this: in a free market economy, please do not expect to be given any extra privileges on account of your caste and mother tongue.
Those who work hard, work smart and take advantage of opportunties are the ones who will be rewarded.
It's not the Biharis and UP-ites who are milking Mumbai dry; it's our BMC, police and politicians. Since being set up in 1960, Maharashtra has never had a non-Marathi chief minister. Our great Maratha leaders have steadily emptied the state's coffers. Isn't it the responsibility of the chief minister to ensure that the state is well-administered? Then how can you blame north Indian politicians for problems within Maharashtra? Please do explain this.
By the way, just to stir the pot a little... does anyone still agree that the linguistic division of states was a bad idea? :)
Regards
Ashish Private Reply to Ashish Gorde | | Feb 07, 2008 10:16 am | | re: re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Umesh Kulkarni | | I am impressd with your reasoning Ashish and Shalaka. Now that I am a free citizen of India free to go anywhere and do anything in India as you guys champion, I wanna buy a small piece of land in J&K for post retirement purpose, even Himachal Pradesh or Uttaranchal will do. Can you help me in this aspect?
Regards,
Private Reply to Umesh Kulkarni | | Feb 07, 2008 10:53 am | | re: re: re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | In J&K, non-domiciled citizens cannot buy land there for security reasons.
Only tribals of that state can buy land in Sikkim and AP.
We have similar reservation rules in many states, including Maharashtra, to protect Adivasi lands.
How is that pertinent to this discussion please?
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 07, 2008 11:00 am | | re: re: re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | Ashish and Shalkha both dont stay in India and are unaware of the ground reality here. There point of view is respectable.
If they have a brush with reality for longer than their fortnightly vacations in Mumbai they will change their perspective.Private Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Feb 07, 2008 11:04 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | Sorry... AP = Arunachal Pradesh, not Andhra Pradesh.
Umesh, you can go ahead and buy your retirement home in Uttaranchal and Himachal, as long as it's not more than 500sq m.
There are many good brokers in Dehra Doon. If you are serious, I will pass on the details to you. Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 07, 2008 11:28 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Umesh Kulkarni | | These are special privileges for the people living in that state, J&K, H.P., Uttaranchal. It is done to protect the locals from outsiders taking away their opportunities.
Every state would has its own formula of protecting its own people, that is if the people at the helm want to. I dont agree with the view shared by a number of poeple here that we Maharashtrians are much better off, not to do the so called grade IV jobs. Yes the upper cream might be, but the bottom, which is 80% ( 80/ 20 rule or 90/ 10 whatever rule u call) IS NOT SO PRIVILEGED. It is the states duty to see that this section gets a chance to better itself. Thats my point.
Let me give one example. The famous Jumbo Vada pAV outside Thane station. He is said to have fired 60 local boys from his employment (not all were marathi) and hired, through a contractor, 60 boys from UP. Needless to say that these guys work at dirt throw salaries and ready to live in any shanties, becuase for them it is any way better than what they were having back home. Now tell me isn't this dumping of cheap labour? Can a local in any way compete with these new outsiders in terms of salaries?
There has to be a mechanism to help those who cant help themselves. Violence is not the means to achieve this.
I know no one has a ready to mix solution to this but then thats why these problems exist.Private Reply to Umesh Kulkarni | | Feb 07, 2008 11:36 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Aamchi Marathi Mumbai!!!! | # |
Umesh Kulkarni | | Lol thanks for that help Shalaka, but stop this Google fishing! Private Reply to Umesh Kulkarni | | Feb 07, 2008 11:55 am | | North Indians take pride in violating law: Delhi Lt Governor | # |
Viraj Rao | | http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/07delhi.htm Private Reply to Viraj Rao | | Feb 07, 2008 12:25 pm | | re: North Indians take pride in violating law: Delhi Lt Governor | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | Great point Umesh, about cheap labour hired from outside cutting into local jobs. And thank God at least you agree that violence is not the solution.
This is a problem that plagues all economies, and one of the banes of globalisation. Tomorrow, who knows, the vada pav chap will replace the cheap labour with even cheaper China-made machinery and thus increase profits. It's the same kind of anger that a certain class of Americans feels about Indian call centres. I am sure we have all seen the cheap Chinese Ganpati idols with chinky eyes, who retail at half the price of idols made in India.
Can we stop China dumping cheap goods on us and bankrupting our homegrown businesses? If not, then how can we stop fellow Indians from coming to Mumbai to make a living? At least they are keeping the wheels of the INDIAN economy moving.
Viraj, thanks for the link. But it's not saying something which we all don't know already! A trip to Delhi is proof of all that the LG is saying. What's sad and shameful is that west India is now seen to be as lawless as Delhi, UP and Bihar.
Just a counter question: if we stop the North Indians from coming to Mumbai because they are lawless, will MNS welcome the South Indians with open arms then, because they are better behaved?
As I recall the Senapati founded the Sena to kick out South Indians and destroy Udipi hotels.
Sigh.
The more things change, the more they remain the same!
ps: Umesh, research is essential for an effective rebuttal, hence the google :) I don't want to talk without having the facts to back what I am saying. But I seriously do know a good chap in Dehra Doon. :))
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 07, 2008 12:55 pm | | re: re: North Indians take pride in violating law: Delhi Lt Governor | # |
Umesh Kulkarni | | Shalaka there is a definite mechanism for stopping dumping and it is a accepted thing in this civilised and free economy world. You talk of Chinese cheap goods, do you think someone can manufacture so cheap without the Government support and subsidy........... So even by your example its a fight between unequals (one who is supported by the Govt and one who is not). It's a different scene that the Indian Government doesnt have the will power and the time to devote for such causes.
My point is very simple, just like other fellow Indians have the right to go anywhere, Maharashtra goverment should have the right and God help the willingness to save its State brothers. NOTHING WRONG IN THAT. We all know when Chandra Babu was the Chief Minister and he was supporting the Central Government, how many favours he has got in his states favour, many times at the cost of other states. I dont remember any one raising a question at that time.
The US doesnt want Sovereign Funds to take over their important assets, the French Governemnt doesnt want SocGen (Bank) to be taken over by any non French. These and so many more examples we do see in this so called free economy world of your's and mine Shalaka. Call Centres are a double edged sword that the Americans invented to reduce their own costs and now their poeple compain about loosing jobs. In the garb of confidential information being leaked, you do see the US government trying to block this business from going out, not openly, but yes the Industry knows about it.
Shalaka, anyway in Mumbai, the educated class is fighting the battle against competition. I am talking about is the class below that who doeesn't even know what has hit them.
The point is clear, if you are drowning, you have every right to protect yourselves.
Violence was never the issue, I dont think any member here supports it. Why do you thank God for that??
ps:
1)Sincere thanks for your help. I have worked extensively in that area, got good contacts there, should any need arise.;;))
2) rebuttal is a form of evidence that is presented to contradict or nullify other evidence that has been presented by an adverse party (SO SAYS MY GOOGLE FISHING). We are neither here to nullify each others views nor are we adverse parties, atleast you will agree that S ;)
Private Reply to Umesh Kulkarni | | Feb 07, 2008 2:16 pm | | re: re: re: North Indians take pride in violating law: Delhi Lt Governor | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | All the guys who have great love for Biharis have proved 'Marathi mansacha pahila shatru marathi manusach asto.' Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 07, 2008 2:41 pm | | North Indians take pride in violating law: Delhi Lt Governor | # |
Rain Man | | Wah wah wah ... talya talya ... kitti bhashan baaji zali.
Maja aali.
Itka karun kaay ? kaahi nahee....
Kitti jaan marathi malak asalelya company madhe noukri kartahet ?
Jyanche apale business ahet,kiti jan marathi workers ahet ?
Kiti jananche drivers,peon,gharatle naukar marathi ahet ?
Kiti jan group madhe,ghari,mitran madhe marathi boltay ?
Kunacya jivavar ... itka awaj ?
Bollywood,Ambani brothers ani TATA's na Mumbai chya baher ghalnar ka ?
Ratri vel jhalyavar anit duparchya veli Udupyachya hotel madhech chaha idli ani jevan milte.
Kanda pohe wale dukan band kartat.
Kuna kunachi mula marathi shaleyt shiktat ?
Marathi cinema ani natak kuthe ahe ? (UP ani Bhaiyaa lokani advala ?)
BMP,Govt,CM sagale marathi ahet,tyanna prashna nahee vicharta yet ?
Shivsenene kiti divas sarkar chalvlay ?
Kaay kela tyani ?
Asha political parties ani leaders na Hindu-Muslim,Casts,marathi-non marathi, asech mudde ka miltat Mumbai madhe danga karayala ?
BMP,Govt,development,corruption,cleanliness,security ase vishay kaay kami ahet ?
Private Reply to Rain Man | | Feb 07, 2008 3:29 pm | | re: North Indians take pride in violating law: Delhi Lt Governor | # | 
Avinash Gowardhan | | One point about availability of Coal for Power Generation.Chandrapur District has ample reserves of Coal, but while alloting new Coal Blocks, Karnataka got those in Maharashtra while Maharashtra though badly in need of Coal gets from Orissa State (650Kms) and also alloted new Blocks of Coal from Orissa.Coal from Vidharbha is going to Punjab,MP etc while the Khaperkheda/Koradi/Chandrapur Power Station near Nagpur gets Coal from MP and Orissa.This only shows the slackness on the part of our leaders.The proposed NTPC Power project at Mouda near Nagpur is getting delayed even though the Energy Minister is a Marathi Manus.
Avinash GowardhanPrivate Reply to Avinash Gowardhan | | Feb 08, 2008 5:07 am | | Whats the Solution ? | # | 
Shreerang Athalye | | Firstly I agree that Marathi Manus must have a prominent position in Maharastra and hence in Mumbai too.
The question is how do we get it ?
By pulling down and preventing others ?
Or by Excelling ?
If we want to Excel and be better than we need to in crease our ability to compete , better education , willingness to work hard , stick together and help each other.
Check my next post ABOUT attitudes
Private Reply to Shreerang Athalye | | Feb 08, 2008 5:46 am | | Solution: Stop Depriving Skilled Localites in name of Degree | # |
Pravin Dhayfule | | You know where the problem lies
Outsiders especially from UP, South, etc. earn degrees easily from their university and also get god ranks, and immigrate here.
In Maharashtra, although you deny, its the fact that maximum Young Localites due to their ill financial conditions, prefer to Earn and Learn and so take up corresponding courses. In due course they sharpen their skills and learn new technology quickly and practically, as compared to those (QUALIFIED) outsiders.
But although they are well skilled they seldom fail to earn degrees on time due to their parallel schedule (i.e. work, family and education), which result in low salary and low position and report to them who are although qualified but lack in skills as compared to these professionally deprived class. Also everyone is aware that quality in work is not taught in colleges, but earned through practical experience.
Recruitment & Promotions today are merely based on Paper Work rather than Technical Skills (and unfortunately am one of them who could'nt complete degree on time yet have proper technical education and certifications).
Somewhere or other recruitment policies and education system needs to be change, or else it wil continue.
Thats all what I have analyzed.
Bye
Regards
Private Reply to Pravin Dhayfule | | Feb 08, 2008 8:01 am | | re: Solution: Stop Depriving Skilled Localites in name of Degree | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | Shreerang agree with you absolutely. We should stop expecting hand-outs from the government and learn to go ahead on our own steam.
We have reservations in schools, colleges, public sector and some private sector companies as well. All that reservation does is create a class of people who believe they are automatically entitled to privileges without having worked hard to earn those privileges.
Umesh, if you read the whole thread carefully you will see that some people here do agree with Raj Thackeray's use of violence to achieve his objectives.
If you agree with Raj Thackeray, you also agree that violence is acceptable. His whole agenda is to make immigrants feel insecure and vulnerable in Mumbai.
Instead of that, why not work towards making locals feel more secure in themselves. They call themselves Maharashtra Navnirman Sena, but have they done even one constructive thing? Their agenda is all about destruction.
Have they helped Marathi people who lost their jobs to the so-called immigrant influx find work again by enhancing their skills? Have they started any entrepreneurship nurturing programmes (like Chandrababu Naidu)? If they really believed they were leaders of the Marathi manus, they would be actively helping them, not guiding them in destroying property!
In that sense, they are like Al Qaeda who take poor unemployed Muslim youth and teach them how to make bombs.
If Raj Thackeray was seen to be doing good for the community, all Indians in Mumbai would vote for him, not just Marathis.
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 08, 2008 8:37 am | | re: re: Solution: Stop Depriving Skilled Localites in name of Degree | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | The Shiv Sena-BJP -- which is in a majority in the BMC -- have voted to make Bhojpuri films tax free.
It's not the cowbelt politicians at all.
Of the 227 councillors, 150 are Marathi.
So what is your point about numbers???
Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 09, 2008 6:50 am | | Maaji Bhumika, Maajha Ladha --- Raj Thakeray | # |
Viraj Rao | | http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2768664.cms Private Reply to Viraj Rao | | Feb 09, 2008 5:37 pm | | re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Ashish Gorde | | What poll results are these? Who published them and where? And who were the respondents to this questionnaire?
I happen to be one of the 'marathi manase' who do not believe or even want north Indians to be thrown out of Maharashtra, and I know quite a few 'marathi manase' who feel the same way. And neither my friends, relatives nor myself who feel this way are politicians... how come the survey missed us? Or does it mean that we sit within the 2%?Private Reply to Ashish Gorde | | Feb 10, 2008 3:51 am | | re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Rain Man | | :)) Private Reply to Rain Man | | Feb 10, 2008 5:17 am | | re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Shalaka Paradkar | | Haa poll MNS chya Shivaji Park office madhye ghetla gela.
Tya 2% madhye MNS-cha haa karyakarta nakkich hota.
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?page=article§id=2&contentid=2008020820080208041806906165e409
:))Private Reply to Shalaka Paradkar | | Feb 13, 2008 2:15 pm | | re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | After reading Shalaka's and other gentleman's views, i feel that Marathi people have more affiliation for outsiders than that of their own people Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 14, 2008 5:39 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Viraj Rao | | Marathi mansacha khara shatru par prantiya nahi tar marathi mansach aahet. khekdyache upjat gun marathi manshat bhinle aahet. jo paryant te rahtheel, to paryant he aseech chalat rahanar. Private Reply to Viraj Rao | | Feb 14, 2008 5:44 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | 100% true Viraj!!! Private Reply to Sameer Bahaddarpurkar | | Feb 14, 2008 5:59 am | | Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | 200% Viraj .
Because of the violant protest in Nasik One Person died who was a Marathi Manus . At least now people Thats why violance never works. Dagad , Banduk , Aag Mitra kinva Shatru Olkhat nahit .
Kadhi hi sadhi goshta manus shiknar.
Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 15, 2008 10:32 am | | Problems same everywhere | # |
MS V | | In New Zealand,the original local community of Maoris is against immigrants.Why? They feel NZ is losing its identity to migrants and of course, all good jobs are lapped up by immigrants mainly Indians.Recently, NZ has introduced Maori learning programs at workplaces.
U must have heard of stories where US youngsters were haraasing Indians working in call centres as they were against shifting call centres to India and losing their jobs to Indians.
Nowhere in the world,people tolerate when their jobs and/or cultures are under threat. So, in Mumbai too, it is natural for Maharashtrians to feel threatened by non-Maharashtrians and I don't think there is anything wrong.However,the way this issue is approached is totally unacceptable. Instead of finding peaceful solutions to the problem, the politicians are using it for their selfish motives.
As we can clearly see Raj Thackeray who has done nothing so far for Maharashtrians, is only tarnishing our image by attacking poor workers.And what do we achieve by doing that?Are we showing off our 'power' by beating up ordinary people who come here for bread and butter?No,we only worsen the problems by violence and create tensions between communitites and destroy the peace of our beautiful city.
I am sure once Raj Thackeray achieves his goal, he will move on and will look for some other agenda.Remember the Shivsena pattern that started with Madrasis??
Shalaka is right, the way things are handled, there is hardly any differnce between AlQuida and well...
Have we really run out of any peaceful solutions to the problem?
Love Mumbai,Jai Maharashtra and Jai Hind!
MrudulaPrivate Reply to MS V | | Feb 17, 2008 10:10 am | | re: Problems same everywhere | # |
Umesh Kulkarni | | Interesting reading guys n gals:
http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2786955.cmsPrivate Reply to Umesh Kulkarni | | Feb 20, 2008 8:33 am | | re: re: Problems same everywhere | # |
Savita Govilkar | | Umesh, Itaka Majoripana ani fakta 1000 rupaye danda? Ani tyala chakka sodun dile... te suddha chavan navachya inspecor ne....surprising... Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 20, 2008 9:58 am | | re: re: re: Problems same everywhere | # |
Umesh Kulkarni | | Right Savita, North Indian pressure tactics at its best. Private Reply to Umesh Kulkarni | | Feb 20, 2008 12:12 pm | | re: re: re: re: Problems same everywhere | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | Ha Ha Ha Ha...
Amhi jevha mhanto bhaiyyana chopun chopun tyanche UP Bihar dakhwa tevha gandhi putra (ki bhyad marathi) lok amhala shantiche upadesh kartat.
Ata tari ek vha, rastyawar utra. Agdi kevilwana apamaan honyachi waat baghu naka.
Maharashtrat marathi manasacha apaman hoto ani amhi mothe sushikshit nirupayogi Marathi loka nuste Hindi / English News channels baghto ani opinion deto.
Bhaiyyani dudhat pani takun amchya raktatla pani vadhavlay watte.
Jai Maharashtra. Jai Marathi.Private Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Feb 20, 2008 4:48 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Problems same everywhere | # |
Savita Govilkar | | ugachach chopnyat artha nahi pan ya rikshawalyani tar dhadadhadit gunha kela hota... Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 20, 2008 5:45 pm | | Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | Te rikshwalehi adlya divshi paryant garib bichare pota panya sathi mumbaila alele bhaiyye hote. Private Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Feb 21, 2008 4:19 pm | | re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Savita Govilkar | | Adesh far tanu nakos... Gunhegar te gunhegar... MNS ni jyana chopale te sarva kay gunhegar hote? Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 21, 2008 6:12 pm | | re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Mala he kalat nahi . Jar sarvanna Marathi Asmitecha Pulka aala aahe tar Jenvha Textile Minister Shankar Singh Vaghelani Vidarbhatlya shetkaryanna "Tumhi Kamchor aani apramanik aahat mhanun tumhi aatmahatya karat aahat" ase mhanun apman kela tyancha kunihi sadha nishedh suddha kela nahi. Maharashtrawar aani Marathi Asmitewar prem karnare MNS , Shiv Sena , Rashtrawadi kai zople hote kai ?
Sagale ek numberche natakbaaz. Jidhe garaj aste tenvha sheput ghalun palun jatat. Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 22, 2008 5:36 am | | re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Savita Govilkar | | Are te jau det. 26th July 2005 la, sarva marvadi, gujrathi buiscuits, purya vatat hote, Mrs Dutta chi manase andheri west madhye hodya ghevoon lokana madat karat hote, tevha he marathyancha and mumbaicha pulka asanare lok kay swtaha gharat varachya majaltavar chaha pit hote? Ka nahi yanni helikopters organize karun bharabhar lokana madat keli. eka divasat mumbait 800 lok mele yana laj vatat nahi? Ata ektya (gunhegar nasalelya) taxi driver la maranyat kay vishesh ahe. Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 22, 2008 6:03 am | | re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Savita :
I dont think thats exactly true . I was working in Dadar that day. Sudden 15 minute rain attack literally took over all the railway tracks and road . The Rainfall reported that day in Mumbai was above 1000ml which is around what cherapunji face in 1 year.
I was in Parel at my friends chawl and we were supplying food for people on Parel and Dadar station and i have seen leaders like Madhukar Sarpottdar and late Pramod Navalkar helping people desperately . Even Akhil Bhartiya Sena(Prominent Raj Thackrey's outfit in Shiv Sena) people on that day was trying hard to save both Bhaiyas and Marathis on that day Mumbai has shown the real Spirit and Bhartiya Ekatmata.
I would also like to praise Raj for the work he has done on 11/7 blasts . His people came out with every possible vechiles and they were dropping people travelling through Western Express Highway . He also brought 3 Tempos specially for woman to drop upto Virar .
I would certainly praise all the politicions on that day they have shown real humanity that day .
But again the worst part is media is not intrested in sharing that news .
Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 22, 2008 12:44 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Savita Govilkar | | Tyanchya mate dadarchya pudhe farashi mumbai nahich ahe. Nahi tar ekdam thane. 3 tempo madhye kay honar. Itki mothi sanghatana ani evdha paisa asatana tyache karya nsgiligible, ullekh karanyajoge pan navhate. Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Feb 22, 2008 5:21 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Kudos ,
Agreed on it .
I Resigned :)Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 22, 2008 7:44 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Uday Kalgaonkar | | Shiv sena always cries Marathi Manasa Jaga ho for votes and distributes Rajya Sabha tickets to the Non- Maharashtrian.Pritinsh Nandi,Ram Jethmalani,Rahul Bajaj aani above all Sanjay Nirupam to whom they made a cabinet minister(Nagarsevak vhaychi tari layki aahe ka ?) and worst part is kaam zalyawar shiv senela lath marun Marathi Manasawar gurgurtat.Tithe Vitthal Kamat , Deepak Ghaisas, Vijay Bhatkar kinva Avinash Bhosle yaana ka nahi pathavla yaani ?
Palika nivadnuka aalya ki yaanna Marathi Manus aathavto aani Bhaiya Bhagaochya bata kartat aani Loksabha nivadnuka aalya ki yaana Hindutwa aani Lai-Chana Mahotsav aathavto.
Marathichya navavar Gundgiri tar karatch hote agdi pahilyapasun nantar Marathichya navawar satta kabij karayala lagle. Evadha maaj aahe tar mag Mukesh Ambani peksha jasti boli lawun IPL Mumbai team ka nahi vikat ghetli ?
Shiv sena tar useless hotich pahilyapasun aata Nav-Nirmanachya bata karat Raj pan tyanchyach vatene chalala aahe . Private Reply to Uday Kalgaonkar | | Feb 23, 2008 5:13 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Bhaiyya karel tata thaiyya | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=c3363c6e-1e65-4701-85b5-43fe70fe4bac&MatchID1=4665&TeamID1=10&TeamID2=3&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1174&MatchID2=4661&TeamID3=5&TeamID4=2&MatchType2=2&SeriesID2=1172&PrimaryID=4665&Headline=Bengal+minister+does+a+Raj+Thackeray Private Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Feb 24, 2008 5:31 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: | # |
Savita Govilkar | | So what Adesh? Molah has opologized. and party has condemned Molah's statement. Private Reply to Savita Govilkar | | Mar 06, 2008 7:46 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: | # | 
Sanjay Rane | | Tuze agadi barobar aahe Savita, he sagale phakta rajkaran aahe navsathi.. bas..
Yana kahi garaj nahi marathi mansachi.. tyana phakta sagalyancha paisa pahije aahe..Private Reply to Sanjay Rane | | |
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